but wisconsin is a state that can be quite volatile. although in those -- in the same exit polls that had correctly -- that had walker winning the recall, the same voters majority said i want to vote for obama anyway. and so wisconsin, he won it by 14 or 15 points some large margin in 2008. you can have the tide shift against you and have a big cushion there. >> wisconsin is this wonderful state, the state of robert, the great populist, joe mccarthy, not to draw connections between paul ryan and joe mccarthy and mitt romney. it was the recall that people didn't understand or feel was the right expression of protest against scott walker but the great occupation of the state house in support of workers, teachers, nurses, police, of wisconsin i think is going to play a role in this election where people came out to support a different kind of politics. >> i think we're reminding of the fairness of the american electorate, the fact they have more nuanced views than we ascribe them as having. in your book "the signal and the noise" you talk